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self-defense is what they say, self-defense would apply whether it was murder or manslaughter. that's what he has argued so strongly. but it's interesting, as jeffrey pointed out, we've gone into deliberations and it appears that this jury is now looking at maybe the long haul. maybe it's tomorrow, maybe not. but they certainly are asking now for a list of the evidence. they want a description of all the evidence. i would have thought by now they probably had polled amongst themselves and maybe there is some division so they realize they've got a long haul and they should get some rest, pick it up at 9:00 tomorrow morning. >> they've been doing it for a while, they want to do it right. they don't want to take any chances at all. martin, don't go too far away. let's assess what's going on with sunny hostin, jeffrey toobin and page. page, first of all, what was your bottom line assessment on, this the final day of arguments? >> it was a long day for the jury and i'm not at all surprised they were ready to go home at 6:00. i think the lawyers did a great job. i think the state, th
self-defense is what they say, self-defense would apply whether it was murder or manslaughter. that's what he has argued so strongly. but it's interesting, as jeffrey pointed out, we've gone into deliberations and it appears that this jury is now looking at maybe the long haul. maybe it's tomorrow, maybe not. but they certainly are asking now for a list of the evidence. they want a description of all the evidence. i would have thought by now they probably had polled amongst themselves and maybe...
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i'll tell you, what, missile defense people talk always about layers of defense. that is not one shot. ideally, they would like to hit it here with some early shots of missiles as soon as it gets off the ground. if not, try to have shots at it here. and if not, they would try to have last-minute shots before it came to the ground over here, wolf. that's the plan. that's what they were beefing up today. >> tom foreman, working this part of the story for us. i'm sure folks in alaska, hawaii, washington state, california, they're getting nervous hearing about these reports. we'll have much more on the story comes up in "the situation room." >>> a federal appeals court said the cia has to acknowledge the existence of any records on drone strikes aimed at people such as terror suspects overseas. the case stems from an aclu request for the records under the freedom of information act. but the cia re fusioned to confirm or deny it had any such records citing national security. the court calls the denial, and i'm quoting now, fiction. >>> syrian rebels are getting a poten
i'll tell you, what, missile defense people talk always about layers of defense. that is not one shot. ideally, they would like to hit it here with some early shots of missiles as soon as it gets off the ground. if not, try to have shots at it here. and if not, they would try to have last-minute shots before it came to the ground over here, wolf. that's the plan. that's what they were beefing up today. >> tom foreman, working this part of the story for us. i'm sure folks in alaska,...
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because self-defense is a complete defense to it. >> say that again. >> self-defense is a complete defense to second-degree murder and manslaughter. in these jury instructions, they would have already gone through the self-defense exercise. so if they are past second-degree murder and self-defense, and now they are on to manslaughter, it is quite possible that they have already disregarded george zimmerman's claims of self-defense. and that's -- i would be concerned about that if i were the defense team on here because that is what their whole case is about. >> if we can get back, first the definition of what manslaughter is as it pertains to the state of florida. put that up and i'll read it from there. then after that we'll talk about what they have to prove for manslaughter. because the bar is lower than it is for murder for second-degree murder. here is the definition. killing a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification and in cases in which such killing shall not be excusable homicide or murder. >> now, that looks very difficu
because self-defense is a complete defense to it. >> say that again. >> self-defense is a complete defense to second-degree murder and manslaughter. in these jury instructions, they would have already gone through the self-defense exercise. so if they are past second-degree murder and self-defense, and now they are on to manslaughter, it is quite possible that they have already disregarded george zimmerman's claims of self-defense. and that's -- i would be concerned about that if i...
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it could backfire on the defense. have to be very careful because with the liberalization of marijuana, the acceptance by many in society, it sometimes can backfire if you're trying to make it too big a deal that he was this drug teenager. many people know that marijuana is typically going to make you slower, not more aggressive. there's an issue with the defense that they need to be very careful about, but i think all the more goes towards showing that trayvon martin wasn't what the state is attempting to portray and that there's other sides to this. so this once again kind of nips away, chips away at the state's ability to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. as sunny said, you've got the medical examiner. that's what hurts this prosecution so much. for them to even bring in their own independent witness now, they're stuck with this medical examiner changing his testimony at the very last minute, unknown to everybody. he said i conclude now that it could have affected, it could have impacted. when you couple that with g
it could backfire on the defense. have to be very careful because with the liberalization of marijuana, the acceptance by many in society, it sometimes can backfire if you're trying to make it too big a deal that he was this drug teenager. many people know that marijuana is typically going to make you slower, not more aggressive. there's an issue with the defense that they need to be very careful about, but i think all the more goes towards showing that trayvon martin wasn't what the state is...
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the defense does. on the stand, daniel schumacher, a computer specialist in these kinds of animations and he's testifying. >> saw two figures doing x at the time jenna lauer was saying y. >> there's not any in-court testimony on it. >> there's not any out of court testimony on it either, is there? >> there's consultation with the attorneys on how long he was out there, when he went back in and when he came out. >> okay. and this is -- so again, you're integrating the visual perspective of one witness, who has no idea what jenna lauer might be doing because they're not even in the same house, right? >> it's not just based on jenna lauer's call, which he couldn't hear at the time, but he can base it on when the gunshot went off. >> well, i understand when the gunshot went off, but what you're telling this court is prior to the gunshot going off, offer even afterwards, but certainly prior to the gunshot going off, that john good, visual witness, and jenna lauer, audio witness, neither of whom know anythin
the defense does. on the stand, daniel schumacher, a computer specialist in these kinds of animations and he's testifying. >> saw two figures doing x at the time jenna lauer was saying y. >> there's not any in-court testimony on it. >> there's not any out of court testimony on it either, is there? >> there's consultation with the attorneys on how long he was out there, when he went back in and when he came out. >> okay. and this is -- so again, you're integrating...
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self defense is self defense to everything. self defense to murder, manslaught manslaughter, battery the what happened out there was not a crime. so in that context, there shouldn't have been a second degree murder charge and shouldn't be any lessers. in addition i don't believe that factu factually, that's where the charge would be presented. what george did was an intentional act. he knew he was pulling the trigger. the reason why he did it was self defense. that doesn't --uggest a manslaughter charge would be appropriate. [ indiscernible question ] >> no, no, it is going to be much longer. [ indiscernible question ] >> in like form, we wanted to make sure that was our decision. in order to make that decision. and i think that the judge should have left that up to our discretion. but i certainly respect her decision. i think that, i am not going to revisit a court's ruling. i respect her decision. we have our reasons for wanting to have that option for us. and i'm fine with that moving forward the way we are. [ indiscernible
self defense is self defense to everything. self defense to murder, manslaught manslaughter, battery the what happened out there was not a crime. so in that context, there shouldn't have been a second degree murder charge and shouldn't be any lessers. in addition i don't believe that factu factually, that's where the charge would be presented. what george did was an intentional act. he knew he was pulling the trigger. the reason why he did it was self defense. that doesn't --uggest a...
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self-defense is a defense to both murder and manslaughter, that if you believe that this was self-defense, it gets him off completely, because the defense here is going to be very worried about a compromise verdict, so you're going to hear a lot of stress that manslaughter is not a legitimate compromise in the view of the defense. >> jose? >> yes, i agree. that's a great point jeffrey's raising at this point, because i think they need to also spend a lot of time on the jury instructions. now, bernie didn't spend a great deal of time on the lesser includeds and on the jury instructions, and that's going to have to be mark o'mara's focus tomorrow, both charges. you don't ignore one and think that the jury's just going to do what you expect them to do. so, he's going to have to hammer on reasonable doubt and the instructions that are going to be provided. and there's nothing better than arguing what the judge is going to tell them. >> go ahead, sunny. >> yeah, i mean, i think they've got to change the narrative, because today was wrong assumptions, you know, initial aggressor. this would hav
self-defense is a defense to both murder and manslaughter, that if you believe that this was self-defense, it gets him off completely, because the defense here is going to be very worried about a compromise verdict, so you're going to hear a lot of stress that manslaughter is not a legitimate compromise in the view of the defense. >> jose? >> yes, i agree. that's a great point jeffrey's raising at this point, because i think they need to also spend a lot of time on the jury...
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something good for the defense. i think over all that it was a day that really benefitted the defense. why? because this is the prosecution's case. they're putting on their best case and the prosecution is presumed to having better days. when the defense in any trial, you chip away at a prosecution's case and show there's really holes and weaknesses in it, this is what they're using to convince the jury. >> that's a fair point. diane diamond is joining us as well. what's your assessment? >> i completely agree. i think that this is the part of the trial where the prosecution is supposed to shine and the defense is supposed to sort of hang their head and wait for their turn. you know, i think this last witness was very important. she talked about the injuries to this man. the prosecution did get in that they weren't life threatening, but let me ask you this, wolf. how badly do you have to be hurt before you are allowed under law to start to defense yourself? no, he didn't have dizziness, he didn't lose consciousness,
something good for the defense. i think over all that it was a day that really benefitted the defense. why? because this is the prosecution's case. they're putting on their best case and the prosecution is presumed to having better days. when the defense in any trial, you chip away at a prosecution's case and show there's really holes and weaknesses in it, this is what they're using to convince the jury. >> that's a fair point. diane diamond is joining us as well. what's your assessment?...
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we're going to have a big defense. the defense cases are almost always very short. this case went in pretty well for the defense. they don't need a lot of witnesses. the main witnesses have already testified. i anticipate a handful of witnesses. i think there will be summations the middle of next week and we could have a verdict. >> sounny, do you agree? >> absolutely. i think it would be a mistake for the defense to put on george zimmerman or a long case. the burden of proof isn't on the defense. it's on the prosecution. i suspect it's going to be pretty short next week. >> stand by. i want to continue this conversation. we're going to take a quick break. when we come back the judge in the zimmerman trial despite some frustration with the defense today, the heated exchange. what it might mean. stand by. vys are moving fast. i'll take that malibu. yeah excuse me, the equinox in atlantis blue is mine! i was here first, it's mine. i called about that one, it's mine. mine. it's mine. it's mine. mine! mine. mine. mine. mine. it's mine! no it's not, it's mine! better get
we're going to have a big defense. the defense cases are almost always very short. this case went in pretty well for the defense. they don't need a lot of witnesses. the main witnesses have already testified. i anticipate a handful of witnesses. i think there will be summations the middle of next week and we could have a verdict. >> sounny, do you agree? >> absolutely. i think it would be a mistake for the defense to put on george zimmerman or a long case. the burden of proof isn't...
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of the defense lawyer. so the prosecutors defend defended the defense lawyer, and they would like to appeal the decision that was just made against the defense lawyers. so it's a bit complicated, but follow the bouncing ball. if they can have this thrown out and the original conviction stand, there wouldn't be any kind of new trial t. 18 months to two years down the road. >>> we'll see what happens on appeal. this is going to a -- may go to a higher cord. there may be a new trial. ashleigh, stand by, jeffrey toobin, stand by. we'll have more of the stoish coming in. we'll continue our coverage. >>> plus all the day's other important news. stay with us. you're in "the situation room." waffle bars... fancy robes... seems every hotel has something to love... so join the loyalty program that lets you earn free nights in any of them. plus, for a limited time, members can win a free night every day. only at hotels.com [ male announcer ] when we built the cadillac ats from the ground up to be the world's best spor
of the defense lawyer. so the prosecutors defend defended the defense lawyer, and they would like to appeal the decision that was just made against the defense lawyers. so it's a bit complicated, but follow the bouncing ball. if they can have this thrown out and the original conviction stand, there wouldn't be any kind of new trial t. 18 months to two years down the road. >>> we'll see what happens on appeal. this is going to a -- may go to a higher cord. there may be a new trial....
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the white house is also playing defense when it comes to hagel. a former two-term senator from nebraska. the president's pick for secretary is defense is running into resistance from inside the republican party. this senator who was once on the short list himself says hagel is in for a fight. have you made up your mind on this? >> i want to give hagel a former colleague, the opportunity to come and go face-to-face. to answer these questions. these allegations. what i think are some serious questions that do not perhaps qualify him for this position. >> reporter: one big battle to come, a comment hagel made in 2006 about pro-israeli groups and their influence on capitol hill. when he said the jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here. hagel has since apologized for the comment. but that hasn't stopped the criticism. the head of the anti-defamation league released a statement saying he hopes hagel will clarify and explain his comments about the jewish lobby that were hurtful to many in the jewish community. hagel made the remark to miller, a
the white house is also playing defense when it comes to hagel. a former two-term senator from nebraska. the president's pick for secretary is defense is running into resistance from inside the republican party. this senator who was once on the short list himself says hagel is in for a fight. have you made up your mind on this? >> i want to give hagel a former colleague, the opportunity to come and go face-to-face. to answer these questions. these allegations. what i think are some...
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i think it was a risky defensive move for the defense and i don't think it turned out good for them. i think that you don't do that. and if you're going to do it, you really need -- it's almost a hail mary pass because the case is not going your way, and in this particular case, i think that the defense feels rather confident. it's not the -- no matter what anybody thinks, those who are looking at this, we know it's not a great -- it's not an overwhelming state case. so, there is no reason for the defense to go as far as they did. i think the biggest point they wanted to bring out, and i think it could have been brought out a lot cleaner and simpler and a lot shorter, was very simple. they would have said, they wanted to prove that if trayvon martin was, in fact, on the bottom, then the whole thing might be turned around in a different way. because i believe they're confident they're going to be able to show it was george zimmerman who was on the bottom. so, that's all they should have kissed, that's all they should have touched, and that's even risky if they wanted to go to that lit
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. >>> guns, immigration, defense, the battle lines are drawn. and the first fights are being fought over the president's second term agenda. former congresswoman gabrielle giffords returns to testify on gun control. her husband, former astronaut, mark kelly, tells me how she prepared for that emotional event. >>> and sunday super bowl, featuring a rivalry between two brothers. we want to welcome our viewers from around the world. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room". >> we're a little over a week away from president obama's state of the union address before congress. but the battles over many of the president's top priorities already are in full swing on capitol hill. both the president and lawmakers started a new push for immigration. this past week, also featured contentious hearings on u.s. defense policy and on slowing the epidemic of gun violence in america. we'll take a closer look at guns, first beginning with vice president joe biden's admission after meeting with democratic lawmakers on capitol hill. >> nothing we're going t
. >>> guns, immigration, defense, the battle lines are drawn. and the first fights are being fought over the president's second term agenda. former congresswoman gabrielle giffords returns to testify on gun control. her husband, former astronaut, mark kelly, tells me how she prepared for that emotional event. >>> and sunday super bowl, featuring a rivalry between two brothers. we want to welcome our viewers from around the world. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation...
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some defense experts say the amount of cyber spying is staggering. brian todd is here to break it down for us. >> reporter: it is staggering the amount of weapons systems compromised by the chinese. the u.s. had a technological advantage in military capability, but the chinese are catching up. a new report bolsters accusations they hacked their way closer to the top. they're america's most advanced combat weapons and defense systems. f-18 fighter jet, the combat ship, the balanlistic defense missile system. blueprints for these and other weapons have been breached by hackers, a controversial version of the report from defense science board, made up of government and civilian experts was given to "the washington post." the report doesn't accuse china of stealing entire designs, but if they didn't steal them, how did they compromise them? we spoke with a top cyber security expert who did a separate report this year on chinese military hackers. >> bits and pieces of things will be taken from many different sources, different laptops, different computer
some defense experts say the amount of cyber spying is staggering. brian todd is here to break it down for us. >> reporter: it is staggering the amount of weapons systems compromised by the chinese. the u.s. had a technological advantage in military capability, but the chinese are catching up. a new report bolsters accusations they hacked their way closer to the top. they're america's most advanced combat weapons and defense systems. f-18 fighter jet, the combat ship, the balanlistic...
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a lot of others think it's a good day for the defense. >> i don't think it was a good day for the defense, i think it was a great day for the defense. you have your lead investigator, the lead detective who is saying all the things the defense lawyer wants him to do. if there's any witness you want on the state side, it your lead detective. the only way they can be won by the state is if zimmerman is giving inconsistent statements. the lead detective says all the statements are consistent. that's powerful, that's strong. they're going to go to the top of the hour. here's some more questioning from mark o'meara, the criminal defense attorney and this is chris serino, the direct from the police department who investigated zimmerman that might. >> i think you said earlier there was nothing specifically inconsistent with the statements before and ere-creation video, correct? >> no, sir. >> okay. now let's just sort of move forward into your next efforts in this regard. i'm going to then move us up pretty quickly to the next interview with mr. zimmerman. before before you got to thatneck inter
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he's now is going to be the nation's defense secretary. the senate has just voted to approve his nomination. he was confirmed. dana bash is up on capitol hill. barbara starr is at the pentagon. dana, what was the final roll call? >> reporter: we don't have it yet. they are finalizing it. we do know because our lisa is in the chamber she's counted 51 votes, simple majority needed for chuck hagel to be confirmed as the next defense secretary. we also know just listening to the votes as they come up he's gotten at least four yes votes from his former republican colleagues. that's not a lot but maybe more than some may have anticipated given the deep partisan divide over his nomination. this may surprise people as well. rand paul one of the most conservative senators he voted yes. cochran said he would. richard shelby of alabama and mike johans as well. this vote is still open. what this does is put this very bruising battle for chuck hagel behind him but obviously as barbara will tell you starts a new chapter of very, very tough go of it at t
he's now is going to be the nation's defense secretary. the senate has just voted to approve his nomination. he was confirmed. dana bash is up on capitol hill. barbara starr is at the pentagon. dana, what was the final roll call? >> reporter: we don't have it yet. they are finalizing it. we do know because our lisa is in the chamber she's counted 51 votes, simple majority needed for chuck hagel to be confirmed as the next defense secretary. we also know just listening to the votes as they...
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i thought it was, again, helpful to the defense. maybe some of those jurors really don't like fox news so they won't like sean hannity. but other than that, i suppose someone who is following the ins and outs incredibly closely could identify some inconsistencies between the version he told sean hannity and other versions he's told. but they certainly didn't jump out at me and, again, i thought it was showing the defendant in a sympathetic environment without any opportunity for cross-examination, putting forward at least on the surface a credible version of what happened on this tragic night. >> what was the strategy, jean, of the prosecution in allowing this videotape to be played before the jurors today? >> it's just another inconsistency, but i agree it was tough to see inconsistencies just jump out. and i was really focused on the jury during this. let me tell you, it's a big multi-media screen. so you're watching a full movie screen as you're watching all of this. and remember george zimmerman was described as meek by one of t
i thought it was, again, helpful to the defense. maybe some of those jurors really don't like fox news so they won't like sean hannity. but other than that, i suppose someone who is following the ins and outs incredibly closely could identify some inconsistencies between the version he told sean hannity and other versions he's told. but they certainly didn't jump out at me and, again, i thought it was showing the defendant in a sympathetic environment without any opportunity for...
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defense installations and the background checks on defense contractors. and a cnn exclusive. he's given spiritual advice to millions. now the pastor rick warren talks with cnn's piers morgan about his personal tragedy, the suicide of his son. we went out and asked people a simple question: how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed much is the official retirement age. ♪ the question is how do you make sure you have the money you need to enjoy all of these years. ♪ >>> lawmakers are asking some very tough questions about security at the washington navy yard. background checks on defense contractors and a whole lot more. joining us now, our chief political analyst, gloria borger, our chief congressional correspondent, dana bash. the scrutiny of these outsourced contractors doing sensitive work, i assume that's going to have to escalate big-time, right? >> it will
defense installations and the background checks on defense contractors. and a cnn exclusive. he's given spiritual advice to millions. now the pastor rick warren talks with cnn's piers morgan about his personal tragedy, the suicide of his son. we went out and asked people a simple question: how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though...
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we can cut defense spending. there are places that we can save money but we should do it in a smart way. the path that it would put us on is making choices that protect this country and secure the homeland in the best way, we don't want to do that. they do. >> one final question because we're out of time. boehner coming over to the white house over the next nine days, is that in the cards? >> look, if they are willing to compromise, the president's door is always open. what doesn't make any sense for us is if they are going to take this my way or the highway approach, we are wasting time. if they actual leap want to find a solution to this, the president is here in the white house waiting for them to return from recess. >> but the president has to offer the invitation, right? >> the door is open and we will be talking to the speaker and everyone else in the coming days. our hope is that they are willing to do the right thing for the american people. >> nine days to go. dan pfeiffer at the white house, you are goi
we can cut defense spending. there are places that we can save money but we should do it in a smart way. the path that it would put us on is making choices that protect this country and secure the homeland in the best way, we don't want to do that. they do. >> one final question because we're out of time. boehner coming over to the white house over the next nine days, is that in the cards? >> look, if they are willing to compromise, the president's door is always open. what doesn't...
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i've been a defense lawyer for 32, 33 years. i've seen these injustices throughout a career. this is a tragedy like many others are tragedies. we need to understand this is not as uncommon as people think it is. we have inequities in our system. we have to understand it's more than this case. we have it where we have systemic inequities in our system where a lot of times we look the other way or accept it. we can't accept that. >> charles, you wrote about having a conversation with your teen-age son. without getting too personal, i wonder if you'd share with us what you said to them. >> well, i talked to my boys about the idea of running and things like that, particularly in front of police at night. and i try to talk about it in a way that doesn't make them too uncomfortable and say you really don't want that, you really don't want anybody to think you stole anything and just try to have a light conversation. i have yet to even sit down after this verdict to try to figure out how do i tell them that maybe what dad told you before is not even going to help, that in this parti
i've been a defense lawyer for 32, 33 years. i've seen these injustices throughout a career. this is a tragedy like many others are tragedies. we need to understand this is not as uncommon as people think it is. we have inequities in our system. we have to understand it's more than this case. we have it where we have systemic inequities in our system where a lot of times we look the other way or accept it. we can't accept that. >> charles, you wrote about having a conversation with your...
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we have a significant missile defense capability. from what i can see, i don't get any daily intel reports, but it looks like we've taken the appropriate precautions. >> where does diplomacy, ambassador hill, fit into this? the u.s. does have indirect contacts with north korea. the south koreans do. japan, china. but where should the u.s. be engaged right now, trying to ease this crisis? >> i think there are basically two tracks. one is with our allies, south korea and japan. it's important that we assure them and not hold back on these exercises. we need to really assure them, so that's one track. the second track is with china. china may deny they have a lot of leverage with the north koreans, but they do. and there's a lot more that they can do. a third possible track might be with the north koreans. but they kind of started this dance. i'm not sure it would be in our interest to be kind of approaching them. i think you would leave in your mind that we're worried or afraid or somehow blinking. i think we need to be very careful ho
we have a significant missile defense capability. from what i can see, i don't get any daily intel reports, but it looks like we've taken the appropriate precautions. >> where does diplomacy, ambassador hill, fit into this? the u.s. does have indirect contacts with north korea. the south koreans do. japan, china. but where should the u.s. be engaged right now, trying to ease this crisis? >> i think there are basically two tracks. one is with our allies, south korea and japan. it's...
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he is detained at the ministry of defense. warrants have been issued for the muslim brotherhood. >>> the south african government is denying reports that nelson mane
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that's all very damaging to the defense, which is why the defense went after her again today. take a listen. >> so he told you that he could see the man again, the man was behind him, correct? >> yes. close. >> sure. >> yes, sir. >> and if he were hiding somewhere and the man walked close to him, they would be close together, correct? >> objection. argumentative. >> in any event, your sense of it was that they got close together at that point? >> he got close to trayvon, yes, sir. >> and you don't know whether the man was approaching trayvon at that point and getting closer or whether trayvon was approaching the man and getting closer. >> trayvon would have told me he'll call me back, sir, if he was going to approach him, sir. >> so you're assuming that trayvon didn't approach the man because he would have told you if he was going to confront the guy, he would call you back when it was over? >> yes, sir. >> that's one of those exchanges, wolf, where you could feel the tension in the courtroom. love her or hate her, the real question is what did the jury think? i looked at thei
that's all very damaging to the defense, which is why the defense went after her again today. take a listen. >> so he told you that he could see the man again, the man was behind him, correct? >> yes. close. >> sure. >> yes, sir. >> and if he were hiding somewhere and the man walked close to him, they would be close together, correct? >> objection. argumentative. >> in any event, your sense of it was that they got close together at that point? >>...
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yes, it's true that self-defense was a successful defense here but it would be a better system if we had clearer, simpler jury instructions that everyone could understand. >> couldn't agree more. >> i'm not holding my breath for that but let's see what happens. guys, thanks very much. jeffrey toobin, sunny hostin and mark nejame. >> thank you. >> there's still a lot more from anderson's interview with juror b-37 that have not aired. you can watch the rest of the interview tonight 8:00 p.m. eastern only here on cnn. we're going to have much more ahead on the zimmerman trial about the 6:00 p.m. program. and we're just getting information from the former vice president's daughter, liz cheney, now running for office. we'll give you the details when we come back. he can focus on his recovery. he doesn't have to worry so much about his mortgage, groceries, or even gas bills. kick! kick... feel it! feel it! feel it! nice work! ♪ you got it! you got it! yes! aflac's gonna help take care of his expenses. and us...we're gonna get him back in fighting shape. ♪ [ male announcer ] see what's
yes, it's true that self-defense was a successful defense here but it would be a better system if we had clearer, simpler jury instructions that everyone could understand. >> couldn't agree more. >> i'm not holding my breath for that but let's see what happens. guys, thanks very much. jeffrey toobin, sunny hostin and mark nejame. >> thank you. >> there's still a lot more from anderson's interview with juror b-37 that have not aired. you can watch the rest of the...
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the defense as you pointed out did no use it as part of the defense, and was acquitted to all charges as justifiable. we should stay within the boundaries of the law as written. we should have a review of the law, which the governor's office did begin and we should continue with that. >> go ahead, reverend jackson, a problem with that? >> yes, all the while that was a law that's provocative. people have more access to guns, and we've seen an increase in killings. what concerns me very much now is that one interpretation in sanford where a man killed a man, walks away, now has put his gun back in the holster, because he's set free, and the examiner in jackson 1ri8 is facing 20 years. >> we're going to get to that case. >> already have been served three. >> we'll get to that case shortly. let me point out this, in the "tampa bay times" did a study of the stand your ground laws, 200 case over the past few years, the study came out last year. among other things they concluded this, and david, pay attention. defendants claiming stand your ground are more likely to prevail if the victim is
the defense as you pointed out did no use it as part of the defense, and was acquitted to all charges as justifiable. we should stay within the boundaries of the law as written. we should have a review of the law, which the governor's office did begin and we should continue with that. >> go ahead, reverend jackson, a problem with that? >> yes, all the while that was a law that's provocative. people have more access to guns, and we've seen an increase in killings. what concerns me...
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on cross-examination manalo 150e78d to encapsulate zimmerman's entire defense, quoting what zimmerman told him minutes after the fatal shot and with the body of the teenager lying sprawled nearby. >> this guy was beating me up and i shot him. >> and i had to defend myself and i shot him. >> i'm sorry? >> i was defending myself and i shot him. >> so this guy was beating me up. i was defending myself and i shot him is what he told you? >> yes. >> without hesitation? >> no. >> and from what you could tell at the moment, it seemed completely true? >> yes. >> reporter: after the testimony of jonathan good, then came sanford police officer timothy smith. smith had a number of things to say, but perhaps most important from the aspect of the defense was he said that he noted that george zimmerman's jacket, the back of it at least, was wetter than the front and also that it was covered or stained by grass. now, that again would seem to verify the point that the defense has made all along, that george zimmerman was struggling on his back on the ground with trayvon martin over him swinging. >> m
on cross-examination manalo 150e78d to encapsulate zimmerman's entire defense, quoting what zimmerman told him minutes after the fatal shot and with the body of the teenager lying sprawled nearby. >> this guy was beating me up and i shot him. >> and i had to defend myself and i shot him. >> i'm sorry? >> i was defending myself and i shot him. >> so this guy was beating me up. i was defending myself and i shot him is what he told you? >> yes. >> without...
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we'll talk about all of it with the former defense secretary, leon panetta. >>> and congresswoman michele bachmann is here with us as well. i'll ask her if she said a shutdown is exactly what republicans want. >>> plus, new details on the woman killed by police in the car chase that ended outside the capitol, including medication found in her home that may provide important clues. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> there's a breaking news happening, very disturbing information coming in, reports we're getting of a man who may have set himself on fire here in washington on the national mall. let's go straight to brian todd. he's got the latest. what happened, brian? >> reporter: well, we were just down here on the national mall and we were diverted to an area near the air and space museum. people who are not familiar with washington, may not know exactly where that is but it's in the middle of the mall. people have told us they had reports of a man on fire. it is unclear if he set himself on fire or whether he was set on fire by other means, but he was airlifted out. he
we'll talk about all of it with the former defense secretary, leon panetta. >>> and congresswoman michele bachmann is here with us as well. i'll ask her if she said a shutdown is exactly what republicans want. >>> plus, new details on the woman killed by police in the car chase that ended outside the capitol, including medication found in her home that may provide important clues. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> there's a breaking news...
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this is japan's air defense zone and this is south korea's air defense zone. you can see that there is an overlap there. and what the problem is now, because of this overlap, the other countries are not essentially honoring china's request for notification when flying in this area because they simply don't recognize this as a legitimate zone. this is also a route for commercial aircraft. japan air carriers are flying through this space but we are not seeing chinese fighter jets approaching commercial planes. the focus has been on military aircraft and when those fighter jets do intercept, it doesn't mean that they're preparing to shoot down an aircraft. they are simply sent up in this area so that they can i.d. that plane. >> a lot of overlapping interests there and now a lot of overlapping air planes, military planes, ships, you name it, all in one tight little area. thanks very much. >>> coming up this weekend, you can expect lots of finger crossing and breath holding at the white house tomorrow. that's the administration's self-imposed deadline to fix the m
this is japan's air defense zone and this is south korea's air defense zone. you can see that there is an overlap there. and what the problem is now, because of this overlap, the other countries are not essentially honoring china's request for notification when flying in this area because they simply don't recognize this as a legitimate zone. this is also a route for commercial aircraft. japan air carriers are flying through this space but we are not seeing chinese fighter jets approaching...
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>> there's engineering done in a defense setting, at a base. a lot of these places have been compromised for years. >> reporter: they have been off the charts in recent years, launched a satellite killer missile into space. in the past two years, deployed the first aircraft carrier, test flown the first stealth fighter jet. one expert tells me the technology for that was taken from the u.s. china's alleged hacking could be deadly for u.s. forces on the battlefield. i asked one expert about the publicly released part of the report on the consequences of cyber snatching of weapons technology. >> if you mess with the software, the airplane won't fly, the ship won't get to where it is intended to go. >> reporter: they haven't responded to calls and e-mails about the report, but the chinese government repeatedly insisted it doesn't conduct cyber espionage on u.s. agencies or companies. >> the chinese, though, apparently have done this for years. you have been speaking to and lists and experts. how can the u.s. stop it? >> experts say there's no way
>> there's engineering done in a defense setting, at a base. a lot of these places have been compromised for years. >> reporter: they have been off the charts in recent years, launched a satellite killer missile into space. in the past two years, deployed the first aircraft carrier, test flown the first stealth fighter jet. one expert tells me the technology for that was taken from the u.s. china's alleged hacking could be deadly for u.s. forces on the battlefield. i asked one...
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missile defense systems in downtown tokyo. who can bring down the temperature? >> there is one power that can end this story very quickly, end this, first of all, human tragedy of north korea and this incredible farce of regime. and that country is called china. >> reporter: china could cut off the fuel taps and food aid to starve the regime. but years of nuclear tests and missile launches, china's trade with north korea has increased, not decreased. >> china does not want north korea to collapse. they made that very clear. they consider it a buffer zone. >> reporter: the status quo is what china wants says author and journalist. >> it will be taken over by south korea, a country highly influenced by the americans who in effect have the u.s. western imperialism at your doorstep. >> reporter: north korea has few friends but china has always been one of them, putting up with their neighbor like a relative. welcome the north's power and embraced his son kim jong-il. >> on the chinese government side, there is a lot of problems attached to maintain what he can call
missile defense systems in downtown tokyo. who can bring down the temperature? >> there is one power that can end this story very quickly, end this, first of all, human tragedy of north korea and this incredible farce of regime. and that country is called china. >> reporter: china could cut off the fuel taps and food aid to starve the regime. but years of nuclear tests and missile launches, china's trade with north korea has increased, not decreased. >> china does not want...
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and she never addresses self-defense. that was such a focal point in the case, not only for the defense, also for the prosecution. they had the burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt there was not self-defense. >> lisa, what do you think? >> i think there's no question that george zimmerman shot trayvon martin intention ally. he according to his own statements pulled out the gun and shot the gun intentionally. it's so disturbing to hear a juror speak after the fact that perhaps she should have held out when she had every opportunity in the jury room to voice how she felt and stand her ground and ultimately she chose not to. >> she's chose not to. mash, go ahead. when you heard this woman explain her rational, what did you think? >> the parties that i'm extracting from it i want to compliment about. trials are not moral try b-- tribunals in the united states. it happens every day in american jurisprudence. people may be everything from child molesters to murderers and robbers and everything in between but you have to ap
and she never addresses self-defense. that was such a focal point in the case, not only for the defense, also for the prosecution. they had the burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt there was not self-defense. >> lisa, what do you think? >> i think there's no question that george zimmerman shot trayvon martin intention ally. he according to his own statements pulled out the gun and shot the gun intentionally. it's so disturbing to hear a juror speak after the fact that perhaps...
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ame is a cnn analyst and criminal defense attorney. what is your assessment of her testimony, good or bad for george zimmerman? >> well, a simp question, wolf -- can she be believed beyond a reasonable doubt? of course not. she's acknowledged lying to several people about her age. she's acknowledged lying about where she was concerning being in the hospital, and now you have a witness who says that she can hear wet grass. i mean, this is the key witness who the prosecution must rely on, and the simple question is, pose it to the jurors at the time of closing, can she be believed beyond a reasonable doubt? i think it's a resounding no. look, the prosecution is doing the best they is can. these are the cards dealt to them and they have to play them. when she comes in, inns lent to the court, not respectful to an oath, apparently not respectful to the whole proceedings, it doesn't play well in front of a jury. they need to hear this. this was a hard-fought battle as far as what really happened here, and this is what the state must rely on
ame is a cnn analyst and criminal defense attorney. what is your assessment of her testimony, good or bad for george zimmerman? >> well, a simp question, wolf -- can she be believed beyond a reasonable doubt? of course not. she's acknowledged lying to several people about her age. she's acknowledged lying about where she was concerning being in the hospital, and now you have a witness who says that she can hear wet grass. i mean, this is the key witness who the prosecution must rely on,...
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the prosecution and the defense made their arguments. the jurors were properly instructed that in a case such as this, reasonable doubt was relevant, and they rendered a verdict. and once the jury's spoken, that's how our system works. but i did want to just talk a little bit about context and how people have responded to it and how people are feeling. you know, when trayvon martin was first shot, i said that this could have been my son. another way of saying that is trayvon martin could have been me 35 years ago. and when you think about why in the african-american community, at least, there's a lot of pain around what happened to him, i think it's important to recognize that the african-american community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that doesn't go away. there are very few african-american men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store. that includes me. and there are certainly very few african-american men who haven't had the ex
the prosecution and the defense made their arguments. the jurors were properly instructed that in a case such as this, reasonable doubt was relevant, and they rendered a verdict. and once the jury's spoken, that's how our system works. but i did want to just talk a little bit about context and how people have responded to it and how people are feeling. you know, when trayvon martin was first shot, i said that this could have been my son. another way of saying that is trayvon martin could have...
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you know, defense lawyers are assistants to the client. and you could see at several points during this ridiculous monologue that castro was giving, you could see his lawyers sort of trying -- leaning forward and trying to say, okay, wrap it up, try to wrap it up. but you know what, he's the client. he was crazy enough and evil enough to commit these crimes, so it's not really surprising that he was crazy enough to go on this sort of monologue today. >> jeffrey toobin, thanks very much. >>> up next, ariel castro's life was spared. was a plea bargain the right way to go? we're going to talk about that. >>> then later, we're going live to russia where the nsa leaker is hiding out in a new location after getting the asylum he's been pleading for. ♪ (announcer) take their taste buds for a little spin with more than 50 delicious flavors. friskies. feed the senses. ♪ honey, we need to talk. we do? i took the trash out. i know. and thank you so much for that. i think we should get a medicare supplement insurance plan. right now? [ male announ
you know, defense lawyers are assistants to the client. and you could see at several points during this ridiculous monologue that castro was giving, you could see his lawyers sort of trying -- leaning forward and trying to say, okay, wrap it up, try to wrap it up. but you know what, he's the client. he was crazy enough and evil enough to commit these crimes, so it's not really surprising that he was crazy enough to go on this sort of monologue today. >> jeffrey toobin, thanks very much....
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defense official tells cnn, quote, we think they are preparing for a test. we are watching it all as closely as we can. it would be the third north korean nuclear test. commercial imagery shows a tunnel where the test could happen and a bunker to shield equipment and personnel during a test. u.s. government satellites are picking up vehicles and personnel at the nuclear test site, indicating preparations are underway. and a further indication to the u.s. that north korea's ruler is not changing course. >> i think with a new, young leader, we all expected something different. we expected him to focus on improving the lives of the north korean people. >> north korea's state media this week accused the use of nuclear blackmail and said it had no choice but to be defended by their own efforts. on a practical basis, the u.s. can do nothing to stop the underground test. the only realistic option is more condemnation from the united nations once it happens. but it tooks weeks to get a resolution after last month's launch of a rocket by pyongyang. >> the u.n. securi
defense official tells cnn, quote, we think they are preparing for a test. we are watching it all as closely as we can. it would be the third north korean nuclear test. commercial imagery shows a tunnel where the test could happen and a bunker to shield equipment and personnel during a test. u.s. government satellites are picking up vehicles and personnel at the nuclear test site, indicating preparations are underway. and a further indication to the u.s. that north korea's ruler is not changing...
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spending too much on defense right now, just enough? >> well, we've come out of a period where we were in two wars. certainly when you're in that situation, your spending goes up. when you're out of wars, your spending should go down. we have to reassess where we're moving -- >> i'm looking ahead to the squestatiequestration sequestration, the mandatory defense cuts. does the united states really need to spend all of that money? >> i think we need to spend purposely and wisely. the problem with sequestration -- and i have three military bases in san antonio. we're military city, usa. >> you're worried about losing jobs -- >> well, jobs, but the way sequestration would happen, it's taking a meat cleaver rather than using a scalpel. there's room for improvement. there's room for efficiency. but we have to do it wisely and not just with blunt force. >> are you sick and tired of all the stories about you and your k identical brother -- >> i was just going to ask you about that. your brother was the keynote speaker at the convention. who's w
spending too much on defense right now, just enough? >> well, we've come out of a period where we were in two wars. certainly when you're in that situation, your spending goes up. when you're out of wars, your spending should go down. we have to reassess where we're moving -- >> i'm looking ahead to the squestatiequestration sequestration, the mandatory defense cuts. does the united states really need to spend all of that money? >> i think we need to spend purposely and...
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and for that reason, prominent defense attorney judy clark has also joined the team. death penalty cases are her specialty. clark defended the unabomber ted could zin ski, and jared loughner who went on a shooting rampage in tucson, arizona, critically wounding gabrielle giffords. >> the primary goal that miriam is going to have is saving her client's life. and the first step towards doing that, is making a connection with the client. establishing a rapport so he trusts her, so that she can get the information that she needs from him. and so that ultimately, he respects and listens to her legal advice. >> legal experts say the strategy right now for tsarnaev's defense attorneys is to slow the process down. the nation is angry right now. they want to slow things down, so that they can work their magic in the coming months when the nation's not paying as much attention. wolf? >> jake, thanks very much. jake tapper in boston. >>> when we come back, for the first time, the nba player jason collins now talking about making history. stand by. r not the projects will be done
and for that reason, prominent defense attorney judy clark has also joined the team. death penalty cases are her specialty. clark defended the unabomber ted could zin ski, and jared loughner who went on a shooting rampage in tucson, arizona, critically wounding gabrielle giffords. >> the primary goal that miriam is going to have is saving her client's life. and the first step towards doing that, is making a connection with the client. establishing a rapport so he trusts her, so that she...
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that's what allegedly happens with this defense contractor and former army officer. he is charged with passing nuclear secrets to his chinese girlfriend. here is cnn's brian todd. >> reporter: he is an army reservist with top secret clearance, doing contract work for contract command in ohio. benjamin bishop stands accused of leaking nuclear secrets, weapons, war plans, early warning radar systems. u.s. officials say he gave them to a chinese woman 32 years younger who he was having a relationship with. bishop was arrested and in is in custody. his attorney says this. >> served his country honorably for 29 years. maintains he would never do anything to intentionally harm the united states. >> reporter: is the woman a chinese spy? court documents identify her as person one. 27 years old. a chinese national. the documents say she met bishop at a defense conference and quote, may have been in the conference in order to target individuals like bishop that work with and have access to u.s. classified information regarding person one's purported interests. >> this is a hon
that's what allegedly happens with this defense contractor and former army officer. he is charged with passing nuclear secrets to his chinese girlfriend. here is cnn's brian todd. >> reporter: he is an army reservist with top secret clearance, doing contract work for contract command in ohio. benjamin bishop stands accused of leaking nuclear secrets, weapons, war plans, early warning radar systems. u.s. officials say he gave them to a chinese woman 32 years younger who he was having a...
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abroad as the defense secretary. >> well, indeed, wolf. and chuck hagel within the hour is expected to land back here in washington after that visit that was very difficult, very tense, violent, and now tragic. afghan ambulances on scene after a gunman wearing an afghan police uniform killed two u.s. troops and wounded ten in a province west kabul. it is one of the worst potential insider attacks by someone in an afghan uniform killing coalition troops. >> we are still doing the investigation together with the afghans. >> the attacker fired with a machine gun at u.s. army green berets and afghan forces standing together outside at the base where they live and work together. the assailant was killed. it happened in the very province where just two weeks ago afghan president karzai ordered commandoes out claiming they were involved in attacks on civilians. u.s. officials denied the allegations. the top nato commander says he's still trying for a deal and vows to keep his troops safe. >> and we agreed we would continue to work the issue with
abroad as the defense secretary. >> well, indeed, wolf. and chuck hagel within the hour is expected to land back here in washington after that visit that was very difficult, very tense, violent, and now tragic. afghan ambulances on scene after a gunman wearing an afghan police uniform killed two u.s. troops and wounded ten in a province west kabul. it is one of the worst potential insider attacks by someone in an afghan uniform killing coalition troops. >> we are still doing the...
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surely a defense lawyer will be using that in the future case. >> reporter: despite ongoing criticism from republicans that abu ghaith should be tried before a military tribunal in guantanamo, the administration stands by its decision. >> this is somebody who is going to be held accountable for his crimes and that will be done in accordance with the laws and values of this country. >> reporter: some 9/11 families say they are glad someone so prominent in al qaeda is being prosecuted. >> let's get these trials in going in new york city, all of the people affected that day can go see the trials and that's where they should be, in new york city. >> reporter: and that's where abu ghaith's trial is, about a mile away from ground zero, where jim rich's sons and so many others lost their lives. wolf? >> a major, major development in new york. that's going to go on for months and months and months, the legal proceedings. thanks very much, susan, for that report. should bin laden's son-in-law have been sent to the facility in guantanamo bay, cuba, instead of new york city? >>> north korea kim
surely a defense lawyer will be using that in the future case. >> reporter: despite ongoing criticism from republicans that abu ghaith should be tried before a military tribunal in guantanamo, the administration stands by its decision. >> this is somebody who is going to be held accountable for his crimes and that will be done in accordance with the laws and values of this country. >> reporter: some 9/11 families say they are glad someone so prominent in al qaeda is being...
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we saw the defense secretary saying the same thing. i don't see anyone out there saying this needs to be fixed. i think that ship has sailed. we knew it would take a month or two months for some of the effects to be felt. so when things like this come up i think you are going to see congressmen or senators coming forward and saying we need a bill to fix this. it'll be pretty piece meal it sounds like. >> i suspect you're right. the president by the way is making his first fund raising push of this a second term in office. let me read to you, candy, and our viewers what he said about the 2014 contest last night at a fundraiser in california. he said, my hope is that we're going to see more and more republicans who say, you know what, i didn't come here just to fight the president or demonize nancy pelosi. i came here to get some stuff done. i could get a whole lot more done if nancy pelosi is the speaker of the house. that was the president saying that. he'd get a lot more done. the president though seems to be walking a bit of a tight
we saw the defense secretary saying the same thing. i don't see anyone out there saying this needs to be fixed. i think that ship has sailed. we knew it would take a month or two months for some of the effects to be felt. so when things like this come up i think you are going to see congressmen or senators coming forward and saying we need a bill to fix this. it'll be pretty piece meal it sounds like. >> i suspect you're right. the president by the way is making his first fund raising...
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so they were going to be able to get an instruction as to self-defense. once we knew that was coming on, we felt we need to put this statement on and disprove it. >> and you had the injuries. the injuries indicate there was some sort of a struggle. our position all along, we never said that trayvon didn't do something to george zimmerman. what we said is you can't take a concealed weapon and encourage or incite a fist fight, which is what he did by stalking a teen-ager who didn't know who he was and then whip your gun out and shoot. that's what he said. i just got my gun out and shot him. never explaining the details of how he was able to pull his gun if he was being beaten as brutally as he claimed. so we had to put all that in and then clearly refuted it with the dna evidence. no dna on trayvon's hands, who supposedly was covering his bloody nose. those lies were put in front of the jury one after the other after the other. we heard his story or stories, depending on your perspective, on what he said on audiotape, on videotape, at the scene, in the poli
so they were going to be able to get an instruction as to self-defense. once we knew that was coming on, we felt we need to put this statement on and disprove it. >> and you had the injuries. the injuries indicate there was some sort of a struggle. our position all along, we never said that trayvon didn't do something to george zimmerman. what we said is you can't take a concealed weapon and encourage or incite a fist fight, which is what he did by stalking a teen-ager who didn't know who...
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this time the defense of marriage act. the federal law which defines marriage as between a man and a woman and denies many benefits to same sex couples. joining us our chief political analyst gloria borger and senior analyst jeffrey toobin once again who was inside the supreme court during the hearings. i want to play -- they've released the audiotapes of the arguments. here is the chief justice of the united states, what he had to say about the president's role in all of this. >> he has made a determination that executing the law by enforcing the terms is unconstitutional. i don't see why he doesn't have the courage of his convictions and execute not only the statute but do it constituent with his view of the constitution rather than saying oh, we'll wait until the supreme court tells us we have no choice. section 3 of the defense of marriage act is unconstitutional. that is a position broadly speaking that a lot of republicans agree with. it's not unprecedented for an administration to take a position. it is a position t
this time the defense of marriage act. the federal law which defines marriage as between a man and a woman and denies many benefits to same sex couples. joining us our chief political analyst gloria borger and senior analyst jeffrey toobin once again who was inside the supreme court during the hearings. i want to play -- they've released the audiotapes of the arguments. here is the chief justice of the united states, what he had to say about the president's role in all of this. >> he has...